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romney trailed by eight points earlier in month in that poll. we look at the poll numbers and all the important electoral college count in just a few moments. but first, governor romney says the president's global vision puts american national security at risk. chief political correspondent carl cameron has specifics. >> at the virginia military institute in measured tone, mitt romney wants his toughest critique yet of obama foreign policy. >> america security and cause of freedom cannot afford four more years like the last four years. >> romney said hope is not a strategy. administration policy weakened the u.s. and its allies while emboldening the enemies. >> with iran closer than ever to nuclear weapons capability with the conflict in syria threatening to destabilize the region and with violent extremists on the march, and with an american ambassador and three others dead, likely at the hands of al-qaeda affiliates, it's clear that the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office. >> romney ripped the admin
romney trailed by eight points earlier in month in that poll. we look at the poll numbers and all the important electoral college count in just a few moments. but first, governor romney says the president's global vision puts american national security at risk. chief political correspondent carl cameron has specifics. >> at the virginia military institute in measured tone, mitt romney wants his toughest critique yet of obama foreign policy. >> america security and cause of freedom...
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just last month in the same poll, romney trailed by eight points. driving romney surge, a spike in republican enthusiasm, more republicans made it through pew's likely voter screen than democrats. and a larger group of registered voters, the candidates are tied at 46. while it's unlikely returns on election day make it unlikely in this pew sample that romney has the upper hand. and looking inside the pew numbers, we're looking at an unlikely -- now romney leads by six, 50-44. will we see that same shift in the battleground state polls? we'll have to see what happened what happens. >> this is the last day for voters to register to vote there, that's why they're both there. romney kicks off a two-day ohio journey, he'll be back in ohio again on friday. meanwhile the president holds an evening rally at ohio state university in columbus. by the way romney starts his day on a family farm in central iowa. another midwestern battleground state. paul ryan does his debate prep today in florida. the vice president signalled a new urgency to voters saying, quo
just last month in the same poll, romney trailed by eight points. driving romney surge, a spike in republican enthusiasm, more republicans made it through pew's likely voter screen than democrats. and a larger group of registered voters, the candidates are tied at 46. while it's unlikely returns on election day make it unlikely in this pew sample that romney has the upper hand. and looking inside the pew numbers, we're looking at an unlikely -- now romney leads by six, 50-44. will we see that...
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the gallup poll showed president obama under mitt romney. how do they come back after a such a large gap? >> that 72% likely seems large, but those numbers are often dictated by the spin that comes after a debate performance, so it's probably a little bit artificially high for those who saw the debate. that being said i think the president needs to get back into the driver's seat. it has really only been the last several months that we has taken off in a position of strong play. he needs to give the base a reason to be excited. if there's anything to worry about, it's the enthusiasm numbers, and those are the easiest to impact on a moments notice. if like michelle said he's aggressive on the stump in articulating his vision but also tying it back to how his record has impacted people in this country, and how his plans and romney's plans will do that in the future. >> joy: and michelle there was a battle groub poll that shows nation wise 86% of romney supports are extremely likely to vote. so the question is how does the president energize re
the gallup poll showed president obama under mitt romney. how do they come back after a such a large gap? >> that 72% likely seems large, but those numbers are often dictated by the spin that comes after a debate performance, so it's probably a little bit artificially high for those who saw the debate. that being said i think the president needs to get back into the driver's seat. it has really only been the last several months that we has taken off in a position of strong play. he needs...
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romney up by 4 points in the pew poll. in the swing states, mr. romney leading in colorado by 4. mr. obama leading in pennsylvania by 2, the right poll showing a tie in nevada. the president up in new hampshire by 6 points. and really the one poll we waited on all day, the one poll that might matter more than any other single piece of data, the one piece we got today, president obama holding on to a 4-point lead in ohio. let's poll this one out. this is a cnn number from this afternoon. barack obama with an edge of 4 points in ohio, which is just outside the margin of error. it's far less than the 9-point leads in the survey not long ago. i should say to democrats and obama supporters, i'm sorry if i unleashed those numbers on you with a mature content warning label. but my friend e.j. dionne will be with us later. he says, i was talking with an old friend who was one of the nonpartisan polling outfits. we were discussing the large shifts in some of the polls on the presidential election and the feedback he receives whenever he puts out new numbers that make one side or the other
romney up by 4 points in the pew poll. in the swing states, mr. romney leading in colorado by 4. mr. obama leading in pennsylvania by 2, the right poll showing a tie in nevada. the president up in new hampshire by 6 points. and really the one poll we waited on all day, the one poll that might matter more than any other single piece of data, the one piece we got today, president obama holding on to a 4-point lead in ohio. let's poll this one out. this is a cnn number from this afternoon. barack...
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let's talk about the pew poll and that romney lead. could you break down those numbers. >> that's a huge lead. if that number is correct, you know, it seems to be a little bit of an outlier. we don't have a lot of information. all the polls that have been released since the debate, state polls, national polls and the average for romney is he's increased his performance by about four to five points. that's a big deal. since the convention, obama seemed to have a lead of about four points. now it's gone back to the pre-convention period where it was tied or obama had a one to two-point lead in all the polls. the best thing to do is to wait for the by the end of the week we'll have more national poll. we'll see what's showing up in the swing state. it does seem just like obama got a big bump out of his convention, mitt romney has a significant bump out of his first debate performance. >> we need to look at overall trends. overall trends clearly moving towards romney including in key voting groups. women voters, if you look at pew a month
let's talk about the pew poll and that romney lead. could you break down those numbers. >> that's a huge lead. if that number is correct, you know, it seems to be a little bit of an outlier. we don't have a lot of information. all the polls that have been released since the debate, state polls, national polls and the average for romney is he's increased his performance by about four to five points. that's a big deal. since the convention, obama seemed to have a lead of about four points....
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the gallup poll, for instance, has romney doing five points better. other polls have that a little smaller. so it seems like obama would even today win an election if everyone registered to vote turned out or certainly all adults. but based on the republican enthusiasm advantage and some democrats, i think, feeling a little disupon dent after the pr performance in denver last week, that alone might be enough to push romney over the top. >> the special way that you sort of distill the candidate's chances at 538, your now cast factors in not just polling but also economic data and other measures that you think give you a percentage chance that one of the two candidates will win the election. what's the percentage chance you have for each of the candidates and has that changed less than the national polls changed? >> the percentage is a 70/30 advantage for obama. which, by the way, if you go to vegas or offshore versions of vegas, you can bet at about those odds. obama is a 70% favorite. but my site had obama as an 85% favorite before the debate. means r
the gallup poll, for instance, has romney doing five points better. other polls have that a little smaller. so it seems like obama would even today win an election if everyone registered to vote turned out or certainly all adults. but based on the republican enthusiasm advantage and some democrats, i think, feeling a little disupon dent after the pr performance in denver last week, that alone might be enough to push romney over the top. >> the special way that you sort of distill the...
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what started as a slow trickle in polls, heading romney's way turned in to quite something else tonight. while it's not a full gusher of strong poll numbers yet for the republican nominee. things are moving his direction. across the country. mitt romney now has take an two-point lead over the president in the latest gallup poll of likely voters. 49% to 47%. for the first time since last october, romney leads in the real clear politic average of polls, the national average. the numbers 48 to 47.3. we have fox team coverage of the race for the presidency. chief white house correspondent ed henry is traveling with the president in columbus, ohio. chief political correspondent carl cameron is with the romney campaign. across the way in cuyahoga falls. >> reporter: mr. romney stormed in the buckeye state. for the first time since the democratic convention in early september, he is either tied, in some cases now leading in the polls. surging in both national and battle ground state polls the latest american research group poll shows romney ahead in colorado 50 to 46. ohio, romney at 48. to pr
what started as a slow trickle in polls, heading romney's way turned in to quite something else tonight. while it's not a full gusher of strong poll numbers yet for the republican nominee. things are moving his direction. across the country. mitt romney now has take an two-point lead over the president in the latest gallup poll of likely voters. 49% to 47%. for the first time since last october, romney leads in the real clear politic average of polls, the national average. the numbers 48 to...
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what do we expect from the obama/mitt romney rematch . the look at romney poll's surge. will the liar, liar strategy work? and congratulational hearing on libya shed new light on what happened in the attack on benghazi and raise new questions about the administration's response. welcome to the journal editorial report. i am paul gigot. all eyes were on the vice-presidential district attorney bait. the two spared over everything from iran and medicare reform and middle class taxes. >> the middle class got knocked on their heels and the great recession crushed them and they need help now. the last people who need help is 120,000 families for another 500 billion dollar tax cut over the next 10 years. >> there are not enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for the pending. next time you hear them say don't worry about. we'll get the wealthy people to pay their fair share watch out, the tax bill is coming to you. >> with us is dan, and collumist bill, and jason riley and washington columist kim strassel. >> he was doing what he was asked to do which is to energ
what do we expect from the obama/mitt romney rematch . the look at romney poll's surge. will the liar, liar strategy work? and congratulational hearing on libya shed new light on what happened in the attack on benghazi and raise new questions about the administration's response. welcome to the journal editorial report. i am paul gigot. all eyes were on the vice-presidential district attorney bait. the two spared over everything from iran and medicare reform and middle class taxes. >> the...
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let me ask you about the latest polls because the pew poll now shows mitt romney ahead for the first time. these things could bounce around a little bit but certainly shows he has gained some advantage after that debate. >> well, i thought there was an interesting column by a fellow named nate silver 538 in "the new york times" plot s out how the elections have gone in the past. almost always when an incumbent president in the debate and a challenger does well which almost always happens the challenger goes up for a while in the polls but then goes back down. he think it would have much effect on the election and i tend to agree with him. >> that is if the candidate, if the president of the united states, comes back with a different game plan. what do you think he needs to do in the next debate he didn't do in the first debate? >> well, the bottom line is, i think that he is a fighter. i think he will come to the conclusion that he let romney get away with a little too much trying to be very presidential, and i don't think you'll see the same thing in the next debate. >> let's talk a
let me ask you about the latest polls because the pew poll now shows mitt romney ahead for the first time. these things could bounce around a little bit but certainly shows he has gained some advantage after that debate. >> well, i thought there was an interesting column by a fellow named nate silver 538 in "the new york times" plot s out how the elections have gone in the past. almost always when an incumbent president in the debate and a challenger does well which almost...
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the pew poll governor romney was seen as guy with new ideas. he was the one people trust to create jobs. bill: one of the lingering numbers in the debate governor romney's honesty to cut federal spending. >> taking on big bird. bill: how is the obama team, responding that, going after it? >> governor romney was trying to make a point cutting unnecessary spending said. i like pbs i like big bird. i even like you, jim lehrer, but i don't think you need the subsidy. obama campaign, seized on that. the president used that as a rip line to ridicule governor romney across the country. this morning they have a new ad about it. >> bernie madoff, ken lay, dennis kozlowski, i will criminals gluttons of greed and evil genius towered over them. one man has the guts to speak his name. >> big bird. big bird, big bird. >> me, big bird. >> a menace to our economy. mitt romney knows it is not wall street you have to worry about. it is "sesame street". >> reporter: that ad was out about couple hours, bringing out "sesame street"'s couldn't saying look at preside
the pew poll governor romney was seen as guy with new ideas. he was the one people trust to create jobs. bill: one of the lingering numbers in the debate governor romney's honesty to cut federal spending. >> taking on big bird. bill: how is the obama team, responding that, going after it? >> governor romney was trying to make a point cutting unnecessary spending said. i like pbs i like big bird. i even like you, jim lehrer, but i don't think you need the subsidy. obama campaign,...
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because the poll advertise that romney/ryan would put in place would be really detrimental. they are the party of todd akin and the legitimate rape natural body rejection -- it's absurd. >> stephanie: yeah, again, i read the polling earlier, a lot of it is a little bit all over the place. clearly it is tight and the debate did not help, but this is one they are talking about party id, because it is out of whack with all of the other ones. >> yeah i do think what happened was maybe they went in and polled a bunch of people in the days after the debate and the new jobs numbers came out and that pushes it back into the president's favor a little bit. we have so many polls, and it's really difficult day-to-day to tell what is the most trustworthy, and what isn't. and if you take a look at some of the swing state polls, and where the president is consistently leading and demographics, it just doesn't seem like this one poll -- it just doesn't make sense. >> stephanie: do you think the president is going to have a chance to correct all of these -- there's no other way to say it --
because the poll advertise that romney/ryan would put in place would be really detrimental. they are the party of todd akin and the legitimate rape natural body rejection -- it's absurd. >> stephanie: yeah, again, i read the polling earlier, a lot of it is a little bit all over the place. clearly it is tight and the debate did not help, but this is one they are talking about party id, because it is out of whack with all of the other ones. >> yeah i do think what happened was maybe...
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you saw the ohio poll, the cnn poll that came out today. obama 51%, romney 47%. that's within the margin of error. the new hampshire poll, wmur granite state poll now has obama 47% to 41%, back in september it was obama 54%, 39% for romney. the michigan likely voters choice is now 48%, 45% obama over romney. it was ten points in september 47%, 37%. what's going on here, james? >> i think the race has tightened since the debate. i'm a democrat, so i don't attack pollsters, fact checkers, evolutionary scientists, climate scientists or anything like that. the truth of the matter is it's tightened. the poll of polls and the national numbers seems to be around one. and we'll move on with the rest of the campaign. no sense in attacking pollsters here. no doubt that governor romney has done himself some good since that debate. and we'll see where we go from here. we can say i'm not going to attack scientists or fact checkers or pollsters. >> ari, you're not attacking fact checkers or pollsters either, are you? >> last i looked. no, wolf, that's exactly right. the debate
you saw the ohio poll, the cnn poll that came out today. obama 51%, romney 47%. that's within the margin of error. the new hampshire poll, wmur granite state poll now has obama 47% to 41%, back in september it was obama 54%, 39% for romney. the michigan likely voters choice is now 48%, 45% obama over romney. it was ten points in september 47%, 37%. what's going on here, james? >> i think the race has tightened since the debate. i'm a democrat, so i don't attack pollsters, fact checkers,...
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when we come back, jim cramer on the stocks going up faster than mitt romney's poll numbers because of mitt romney's poll numbers. >> up next, a republican with a different view of thou fix america's fiscal mess. david stockman served in the reagan administration but he's not talking tax cuts, quite the opposite. larry kudlow will take him on. we count you down to the vice presidential debate in danville, kentucky. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. and every day since, we've worked hard to keep it. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help people and businesses who were affected, and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open for everyone to enjoy -- and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. we've shared what we've learned with governments and across the industry so we can all produce energy more safely. i want you to know, there's another commitment bp takes just as seriously: our commitment to america. bp supports nearly two-hundred-fifty thousand jobs in communities across the country. we hired three
when we come back, jim cramer on the stocks going up faster than mitt romney's poll numbers because of mitt romney's poll numbers. >> up next, a republican with a different view of thou fix america's fiscal mess. david stockman served in the reagan administration but he's not talking tax cuts, quite the opposite. larry kudlow will take him on. we count you down to the vice presidential debate in danville, kentucky. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. and every...
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in colorado, in one right-leaning poll romney is now up by 3 points. the same showed him losing by 5 before the debate. now he's up by 3. in virginia, the president is ahead by 3 in virginia. that same poll had the president's lead at 5 points before the debate. that shows the president's lead shrinking. in michigan, it's now barack obama by just 3 points. the president had led by 10 last month. now it's down to 3. in ohio today, a poll on the right gives the president an edge of 2 points. that poll in iowa shows a gain for mr. obama, a 5-point gain. in florida, the same poll shows a 4-point swing for romney. he's up by 2 points. so the major fall or minor lift, however, you rattle the number lose, as the overall national polling shifts and the swing state races shift with them, the state where the romney campaign is hoping for the biggest shift of all is in ohio. in modern political history, ohio has been the path to the presidency for republican candidates. if republican candidates win ohio, they win the white house. if mitt romney doesn't win ohio,
in colorado, in one right-leaning poll romney is now up by 3 points. the same showed him losing by 5 before the debate. now he's up by 3. in virginia, the president is ahead by 3 in virginia. that same poll had the president's lead at 5 points before the debate. that shows the president's lead shrinking. in michigan, it's now barack obama by just 3 points. the president had led by 10 last month. now it's down to 3. in ohio today, a poll on the right gives the president an edge of 2 points. that...
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big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line, but ohio is still a problem. >> another factor in all three of these polls, over 90% said the debate made no difference. 6, 7 and 7% respectively who said the debates mattered to their vote. that is, not as helpful to romney as he might have hoped. >> the debate has not as much of an impact. >> sean: i was thinking that if joe biden loses and 25 day, i am thinking that nbc news -- it's a perfect place for an unhinged, over-the-top, extreme leftist. he would be perfect over there. >> chuck todd, the political director of nbc news labeled the rasmussen poll, qu
big jump, 4 out of 5 polls, mitt romney and paul ryan lead. have you big poll numbers in florida and virginia, showing people in just a second. abc and cbs admits the ticket is gaining ground, post debate. nbc, no, not much of an impact at ms-nbc. >> florida, ohio and virginia, battleground states. what we see on the screen, a tight, tight, dead heat in florida and in virginia. in ohio, you still see the president hanging on to a lead. i guess you could say that romney has the trend line,...
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mitt romney is leading in ten of the battleground states in politico's poll. trailing in the washington post political poll. what's your thought? does the governor think he can become the first republican to win without taking ohio? >> we're going to take ohio. the ground game that we put together there is exceedingly doing very, very well in terms of the number of contacts both on the phone and door to door. as you noted, he's been there quite a number of times. i think we continue to make up grounds. some of the polls have it tied. so i think in the final weeks we'll continue to make this about a clear choice in the election and governor romney will take ohio. >> take us into the back room for a second. without ohio you need to run the board here. what are your internals showing on that? how do you get florida and virginia? those are looking good? >> florida and virginia are looking good. nevada is looking great. colorado is looking great. iowa and new hampshire is looking very good as well. so i think, a, as i mentioned, i think we're going to take ohio. b,
mitt romney is leading in ten of the battleground states in politico's poll. trailing in the washington post political poll. what's your thought? does the governor think he can become the first republican to win without taking ohio? >> we're going to take ohio. the ground game that we put together there is exceedingly doing very, very well in terms of the number of contacts both on the phone and door to door. as you noted, he's been there quite a number of times. i think we continue to...
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romney was getting hammered in the polls. keeping them honest though, disputing or downplaying the obvious, that's what campaigns do on both sides. >> it's not going to be about the polls. >> i wouldn't put a lot of weight in any of these national polls for the next couple days. >> in terms of mitt romney surging, just remember how much of a deficit he had to make up. he was in some cases double digits behind the president in all those attributes. >> pull back the reins. >> the media is focusing on one poll. >> that's reaction to the recent batch of polling, including that devastating pew poll that showed a four point romney lead. now consider that pew took an earlier poll in september a couple weeks before the debate, it was the republicans going ballistic when it showed romney eight points down. watch. >> these polls are basically just part and parcel of the campaign for barack obama to help him stay in this game as long as possible. >> if you believe what the polls are saying right now, you've got to believe that there's s
romney was getting hammered in the polls. keeping them honest though, disputing or downplaying the obvious, that's what campaigns do on both sides. >> it's not going to be about the polls. >> i wouldn't put a lot of weight in any of these national polls for the next couple days. >> in terms of mitt romney surging, just remember how much of a deficit he had to make up. he was in some cases double digits behind the president in all those attributes. >> pull back the reins....
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. >> 18 point swing in one poll is huge. >> if we were to see that number confirmed by other poll, romney would be the favorite but it's not what we're seeing in the bulk of data. sometimes there can be a tendency to take a big headline number, when we're getting 15 or 20 polls released. if romney is doing that well among women, we will see the result confirmed by other polls quite soon. >> his people also believe that he did well from the debate independents, men, the elderly in particular. that's what their own internal polling is showing. would you agree with that? >> in the debate he was able to reposition himself toward the center of the electorate. last time we talked about, this is something very strange where romney has been playing to the base, even to some extent at his convention, he was doing that. but he shifted towards the center and obama was a little bit feeble in trying to rebut that. that's an important factor. historically candidates who can appear to be in the middle of the electorate tend to win and those on the wings tend to lose. that was a big strategic gain romney
. >> 18 point swing in one poll is huge. >> if we were to see that number confirmed by other poll, romney would be the favorite but it's not what we're seeing in the bulk of data. sometimes there can be a tendency to take a big headline number, when we're getting 15 or 20 polls released. if romney is doing that well among women, we will see the result confirmed by other polls quite soon. >> his people also believe that he did well from the debate independents, men, the elderly...
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one in which the polls suggest mitt romney has opened autopsy small lead on the edge of the margin of error. and as he has been doing, as joe biden has been doing, as democrats have been doing since mr. obama pretty much lost the first debate, they've been arguing that mitt romney has been a debate deceiver and essentially trying to conceal the conservatism that he used to win the republican primaries earlier this year. mr. obama has made -- is trying to use it in an attempt to mock mitt romney. here is a sampling. >> trying to go through an extreme makeover. after running for more than a year in which he called himself severely conservative, mitt romney is trying to convince you that he was severely kidding. >> the president will be back in the white house tomorrow. mitt romney hitched the trail, where else but ohio. he'll do so tomorrow with paul ryan at his side following the debate tonight. >> shep: carl cameron in the spin room of the hall away. thank you. next, we'll hear from congressman paul ryan himself and see what he expects to see from vice president joe biden at the debat
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it depends which polls you're looking at. a new pew research poll shows romney got a boost. gallup has the president up five points. they think he got a boost after the positive jobs report. mitt romney in virginia yesterday, he moves on today to iowa and ohio, but in virginia he gave a foreign policy speech where he said the world is more dangerous now because of the president's policies. he said he would appoint one person to be a czar to overlook a number of issues including syria where he wants to arm the rebels. president obama has spent a few days in california. another fund-raiser, another event there late last night where the president said that he has been courting hispanics there, but he also said that mitt romney's debate was more style over substance, that debate really fueling the polls and we'll see if it's affected by the vice presidential debate this week. vice president biden, paul ryan debate on thursday. both of them out of the public spotlight as they continue to study for that. ryan is in florida. vice president biden is in delaware. he says he is focusi
it depends which polls you're looking at. a new pew research poll shows romney got a boost. gallup has the president up five points. they think he got a boost after the positive jobs report. mitt romney in virginia yesterday, he moves on today to iowa and ohio, but in virginia he gave a foreign policy speech where he said the world is more dangerous now because of the president's policies. he said he would appoint one person to be a czar to overlook a number of issues including syria where he...
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mitt romney and barack obama really neck and neck whether you're looking at the national polls or the battleground state polls. >> yeah, that's right. there's no question about it, joe. and you can see that the -- as we've gotten a little bit further away from that first debate where president obama performed so poorly, you can see that the lingering effects of it have been a little less than we might have thought before. there's no question mitt romney helped himself a little bit in terms of his likability, in terms of conservative and republican enthusiasm. the race in terms of the national numbers with back to being, as you said, joe, a jump ball. i keep looking at that ohio number at the end. when you think about the closer we get to election day, the more we have to think about what are the paths to 270 electoral votes. that ohio number at five is still a big problem for romney if he's going to try to get all the way there. >> richard wolffe, the bottom line is if mitt romney cannot win ohio, and at this point you've got early voting going in, absentee voting going in, that's hap
mitt romney and barack obama really neck and neck whether you're looking at the national polls or the battleground state polls. >> yeah, that's right. there's no question about it, joe. and you can see that the -- as we've gotten a little bit further away from that first debate where president obama performed so poorly, you can see that the lingering effects of it have been a little less than we might have thought before. there's no question mitt romney helped himself a little bit in...